Often I have encountered opponents who simply don’t respond to take back requests. My response when they waste my time in a timed game is to sit there and eventually I refuse to resign or play. Unfortunately administrators at your website give these poor sports carte Blanche to simply ignore the requests forcing the requesting player to assume the request is declined, though it hasn’t been acted on at all. I’ve lost two minutes or more game time off my clock to poor sport non responders. Then admin has threatened to terminate my playing privileges because in this situation I don’t resign or continue to play. Aren’t non responders to take back requests violating terms of fair play?
You wish to have enforcement of some kind of rule on takeback responses. So what started as a mistake you made should have the potential to harm your opponent? That's not workable. Whatever room this leaves for conduct that is maybe a bit unsporting (ignoring takebacks instead of turning them off, etc.), it's really nothing compared to running down the clock.
All is fair in love and takebacks.
Astonishing pile of crap this post is.
First of all you are wrongly implying that everyone must give you an answer.
Secondly you are wrongly assuming that everyone has chat enabled and thus can see the takeback request.
Thirdly you are calling bad sports people who don't give a shit about your takeback requests after literally admitting you stall the game if they don't and then have the gall to complain that moderators are warning you.
First of all you are wrongly implying that everyone must give you an answer.
Secondly you are wrongly assuming that everyone has chat enabled and thus can see the takeback request.
Thirdly you are calling bad sports people who don't give a shit about your takeback requests after literally admitting you stall the game if they don't and then have the gall to complain that moderators are warning you.
Years ago, Lichess allowed players to withdraw draw offers! That said... takebacks are illegal under FIDE rules, so arguably Lichess is free to implement them in whatever manner players agree upon.
It is important to remember that chess is a game, and the goal of the game is to have fun and enjoy the challenge of competing against an opponent. While it can be frustrating if an opponent does not respond, it is important to maintain a positive and respectful attitude towards your opponent and to follow the rules and guidelines of the game.
Refusing to play and running out the clock as a way of Punishing an opponent for not responding is disruptive, unsportsmanlike, and contributes to a negative, hostile playing environment on Lichess, which is not conducive to enjoyment of Chess.
Takebacks undermine the integrity of the game and clearly have lead to you relying on them as a crutch, rather than taking responsibility for your own mistakes. Takebacks can be used unfairly, constantly requesting them in an attempt to gain an advantage. I have them DISABLED on Lichess...
As you know, continuing will lead to disciplinary action being taken against you by Lichess authorities.
Refusing to play and running out the clock as a way of Punishing an opponent for not responding is disruptive, unsportsmanlike, and contributes to a negative, hostile playing environment on Lichess, which is not conducive to enjoyment of Chess.
Takebacks undermine the integrity of the game and clearly have lead to you relying on them as a crutch, rather than taking responsibility for your own mistakes. Takebacks can be used unfairly, constantly requesting them in an attempt to gain an advantage. I have them DISABLED on Lichess...
As you know, continuing will lead to disciplinary action being taken against you by Lichess authorities.
For the situation @Dogman22 is describing, is that two take back requests or one take back request?
If you play a mouse-slip or accidental move, and both players have enabled the allowance of takebacks with opponent approval in their settings, you can request a takeback. If however you play a mouse-slip, and the opponent responds with their move, and you only then request a takeback, wouldn't that only undo the opponents move?
I had the understanding that if you were to ever offer a draw, the respectful method (especially in over the board play,) is to play your move and only then offer the draw. Asking for a draw before playing your own move can lead your opponent to suspect that you don't know what move to play actually leads to a drawn line. Additionally, asking for a draw before playing your own move adds confusion in which you're unclear if you should continue thinking about your move or if your opponent is being disrespectful by simply not responding, except for online play you have little reassurance to know if they are even there and have seen the offer. The way to respond to a draw is to either accept or play a move. (Rejecting a draw seems superfluous and does nothing but cause the opponent to lose time.)
I would think a takeback request should be similar, in which it's always after you play your move, and the opponent will either accept or play a move. Rejecting a takeback seems superfluous and does nothing but cause the opponent to lose time.
Requesting a draw or a requesting a takeback when it is your turn is inappropriate as it leads many people to assume their opponent is a bad sport or is being disrespectful when it's actually your turn to be taking an action, not theirs.
Back on the topic of the existence of this setting, I wonder if more can be done to educate players on the choice of settings. I personally play with Takebacks set to "in casual games only." I suspect that most players not only leave it on by default, but are unaware of the setting. Would it be reasonable to have included in the popup on the players first ever takeback request from an opponent to remind them that they can disable these requests automatically in their settings? I wonder if many of the players who actively choose to ignore a takeback request are simply exasperated with them.
If you play a mouse-slip or accidental move, and both players have enabled the allowance of takebacks with opponent approval in their settings, you can request a takeback. If however you play a mouse-slip, and the opponent responds with their move, and you only then request a takeback, wouldn't that only undo the opponents move?
I had the understanding that if you were to ever offer a draw, the respectful method (especially in over the board play,) is to play your move and only then offer the draw. Asking for a draw before playing your own move can lead your opponent to suspect that you don't know what move to play actually leads to a drawn line. Additionally, asking for a draw before playing your own move adds confusion in which you're unclear if you should continue thinking about your move or if your opponent is being disrespectful by simply not responding, except for online play you have little reassurance to know if they are even there and have seen the offer. The way to respond to a draw is to either accept or play a move. (Rejecting a draw seems superfluous and does nothing but cause the opponent to lose time.)
I would think a takeback request should be similar, in which it's always after you play your move, and the opponent will either accept or play a move. Rejecting a takeback seems superfluous and does nothing but cause the opponent to lose time.
Requesting a draw or a requesting a takeback when it is your turn is inappropriate as it leads many people to assume their opponent is a bad sport or is being disrespectful when it's actually your turn to be taking an action, not theirs.
Back on the topic of the existence of this setting, I wonder if more can be done to educate players on the choice of settings. I personally play with Takebacks set to "in casual games only." I suspect that most players not only leave it on by default, but are unaware of the setting. Would it be reasonable to have included in the popup on the players first ever takeback request from an opponent to remind them that they can disable these requests automatically in their settings? I wonder if many of the players who actively choose to ignore a takeback request are simply exasperated with them.
@Dogman22 :
I disabled the chat.
I disabled takebacks in rated games.
I would not recognice the takeback wish.
Rated games means (?) you want to play with the normal rules.
Takebacks are (in my oppinion) the same as "you touched it, you have to move it".
Kids are discussing about that. Thats ok.
Maybe lichess should open a kids playground?
But as an adult: take it or leave it.
sry, just my 5 cent
I disabled the chat.
I disabled takebacks in rated games.
I would not recognice the takeback wish.
Rated games means (?) you want to play with the normal rules.
Takebacks are (in my oppinion) the same as "you touched it, you have to move it".
Kids are discussing about that. Thats ok.
Maybe lichess should open a kids playground?
But as an adult: take it or leave it.
sry, just my 5 cent
@Dogman22 :
Let me tell you that I changed my doing in the way that, I activated the chat in classic games.
There was a thread about rude players and I thought about this theme.
Your position is not mine.
There is no right to get takebacks.
I think low lever players (below 1200) may be more often do this.
At that time I was, because it was normal to blunder a piece in a game and to get a complete game the pushback was a proper way.
Friends may do takebacks, because friendship is more worth than game rules.
Fails that destroy a game are normal. Everyone has to live with this issues.
Let me tell you that I changed my doing in the way that, I activated the chat in classic games.
There was a thread about rude players and I thought about this theme.
Your position is not mine.
There is no right to get takebacks.
I think low lever players (below 1200) may be more often do this.
At that time I was, because it was normal to blunder a piece in a game and to get a complete game the pushback was a proper way.
Friends may do takebacks, because friendship is more worth than game rules.
Fails that destroy a game are normal. Everyone has to live with this issues.
What’s a takeback?
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