@Robola99 said in #112:
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@cashcow8 said it best in #101:
> "I mean, how many of us have played a good game of chess, totally fairly, but then been worried we maybe played too well that nobody would believe us? So then, maybe, we run it through the engine and are "relieved" that actually we didn't play as well as we thought we had. But this is the fear we face - if we're not believed, we can be booted out with no way to return."
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> What if we played what we thought were good games of chess but not great but our worse fears come to fruition and we get 2 inaccuracies 0 mistakes and 0 blunders with an average centipawn loss of 7. This was a game that I played in Classical format 20 10 against an opponent 600 rating points less than mine in an arena that I late regged for so I wasn't playing for 1st place and I wasn't playing to gain rating points as most of the players I played ended up having a far less rating than myself. In this game, I won a pawn and the exchange without any great tactics or an amazing plan. My overmatched opponent made blunders and I took advantage of them and exchanged pieces until I got a winning endgame. I ended up making the most basic mate. with 2 rooks. I now wish I didn't play in this arena as I went undefeated but ended up with 2 draws one where I berserked against an opponent 400 rating points below me and I regretted decision that as not having an increment puts one in peril against an opponent who is playing with double the time and has a large increment. I offered a draw which was refused and somehow got a perp draw. I played one player my own rating and played an opening that I have played for many, many years. Although, I was white and quite familiar with opening I was quite happy to get a draw with repetition of moves. Long story short I have now been marked as a cheater on Lichess for trying my best in an arena with nothing to gain as I finished in 13th place and didn't gain many rating points. There is no appeal process. I was told by someone that if you don't cheat you will not be branded a cheater. Unfortunately, on Lichess that is not true. I have an account in good standiing on
chess.com with a higher rapid rating. with many, many more games played there and many times I get rating points refunded for playing someone who cheated and I get destroyed by them like I am nothing while playing the same strength as I did in this arena. It sucks to lose to cheaters and it sucks to be falsely accused of being one. Only I know for sure that I didn't cheat in this arena. Only Pepe and his wife know for sure if he cheated. I feel bad if he is innocent but I don't know for sure for him. I can only speak for myself. I do think that these sites have to be totally sure if they are going to ban someone. I have total confidence in
chess.com. I have no confidence in Lichess. I could write a lot more to prove my innocence but Lichess thinks they have a special program with AI and we have seen with ChatGPT that AI NEVER makes any mistakes. I will never play here again but I do hope that Lichess decides to regain the confidence of the players and not say that smart people are too stupid to understand and we can't tell you what evidence we have as that would make cheating too easy. Hopefully, something positive will come from this and we will not see so much doubt about someone like Pepe in the future.
I want to clarify that I'm not saying you cheated, but I do admit that your perfect games raise some doubts. If pepe had as many perfect games as you, I would be a lot less skeptical.
Some bans make sense, and if tomorrow I legitimately play ten games in a row with perfect accuracy and mods bans me for them, well so be it. I could understand them I'd be the one false positive in a million (I'll prob. start playing OTB too!) but it makes sense.
It's a really difficult problem to solve, and tied to the easiness of playing/cheating wich is why I do think some people should get a special treatment: if you're streaming the game, filming yourself, showing your real identity and if any accusations could have some real world repercussions or reputation damage then yeah the threshold should be a little higher.
Public false positives hurt the community as much, if not more than actual cheating. It feeds into the existing paranoia, while causing people to lose trust into Lichess's ability to detect cheating which is a very dangerous combination.